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July 23, 2010

I hate Salman Khan movies, Period.


I do not even have an iota of doubt that Salman Khan is the most over rated, over hyped and aggregated movie star Indian film industry has ever produced..or for that matter, any film industry. The readers of this blog and other friends may be aware of my tremendous passion about movies - not just by viewing them but also to be in touch with each and every news from the scripting to casting to controversies to finer details. But this post was something which was boiling inside me for quite some time....

Let's start from the beginning...rewind to the year 1989 when he made a spectacular 'debut' in Maine Pyaar Kiya (for purists, he did play a smaller role in Biwi Ho to aisi alongside Rekha and Farooq Sheikh in 1988). He was cute, hot, acted well or add any jazz words to it...No doubt, he took the things by storm and actually did managed to continue in the 1990's with hits like Sajaan (1991), Hum Aaapke Hain Kaun & Andaz Apna Apna (1994), Karan Arjun (1995) and Hum Dil De chuke Sanam (1999). Along with this, 1998 was probably the golden year for him with hits in Pyaar kiya to Darna kya, Jab Pyaar Kisse se hota hain and a cameo in Kuch kuch hota hain. Even a flop like Khamoshi (1996) can be counted as one his more mature performances.

Above list shows that to go a long way...he surely had the star power, acting caliber and the luck (yes, even that is important...ask Saif Ali Khan who was literally a non star for over 10 years before Hum tum happened in 2004). But what about his movies in 2000's...I don't recall a single movie of him in which i could have sit all through without getting a headache...after 2005 i decided, enough is enough...No more wasting money on Salman Khan movies. Leave apart his acting style or a hair make over, the movies simply lacked the zeal to engage the viewer... Only notable exceptions were Tere naam (2003) and Phir Milenge (2004) but by that time i stopped watching his movies in the cinemas, unless forced by family or friends. It was like hell, even Sania Mirza wins a match in grand slam sometimes... when will i see a good Salman Khan movie. His film biography have become a big chain of irritating, unwatchable and inconsiderate movies...The so called 'comedy' movies hop from preposterous plots to banal humour to sub standard performances. Take these if you can... Lucky: No time for love (why i had the time to watch this movie?), Jan-e-mann (My jaan was left cursing in my mann), Marigold (Voila, when was that released?), God tussi great ho (You are great god, saved me from watching this one), Yuvraj (thanks to A.R Rahman for making me sit through this dud), London Dreams, Main aur Mrs. Khanna, Veer....the list is endless :D

Jokes apart, I don't say a few flops here and there make a difference to the outlook with which you should start seeing an actor. Making films is a difficult process, anyone can go wrong. But it is the intention with which you are trying to make films is more important and in case of him, when it keeps on happening repeatedly... you know something is definitely wrong. I do understand that cinema watching or talking about it is a very subjective topic. Certain nuances and moments which i can love in a movie may not be appreciated by someone else. I also understand that not all film makers or actors wants to change the world by making Munnabhai series(2003,2006), Swades(2004) or Rocket Singh - Salesman of the year(2009). But how can you forgive an actor who movie after movie, year after year...is torturing us with the same boring stuff. His films off late has little or no regard to its audience, forget the story and the screenplay. They are the kind of movies where makers and SK couldn't care less if you hated the film, fall asleep during the film, left the theater after 20 minutes or suffered heart attack through the film. Only fact which holds importance is somehow fool a certain section of the audience to spend 200 bucks on a movie ticket solely on the "star power" of an actor. To hell with you after that in the theater...you watch movie, masturbate in the movie hall or burn yourself with kerosene, it just doesn't matter...we will keep making such disgusting movies. They simply don't care.

Now, let me get into the inevitable argument which people always use to cover up his pathetic movies...comparison with Shah rukh khan (SRK) and his movies. Keeping aside their personal enmity (which should not really be anyone else business), i have never understood this logic. Are you trying to tell me that because he is more good looking than SRK (subjective, but let's assumed), i should keep on watching SK movies? Are you trying to tell me that because he has a hot GF in Katrina Kaif and SRK has a 19 year rock solid marriage, i should start watching SK movies? Are you trying to tell me he just doesn't have any identity as an actor and just have to get above SRK to be the best? Give me a break, please......Why it is always construed that if you are anti-SK, you just got to be a SRK lover...i am a film lover and it doesn't matter who is on screen. I am giving money to watch a good movie, not any star. If i get entertained, no worries..if not, be ready to take the wrath.

People should probably start looking beyond these immature talks and start giving a rational argument...for example: I remember when Veer (Jan 2010) released, people on FB and twitter were going gaga about it..not to forget putting up links as status messages showing the bumper opening weekend it had...My question is what happened after that? No one put up a message when the collections dropped over 90 percent on the first Monday....and by the way no one put up a message when My name is Khan (Feb 2010) took off a spectacular opening and sustained for close to 3 weeks over 4 continents. I am not saying it was a great movie but then are you telling me people world wide were mad enough to go and see it even after hearing bad reviews about it...there has to be some limit of non sense argument which people keep on pestering with on FB. How can you compare a performance in a SK movie with a performance in a different SRK movie? It's ridiculous logic to say the least.

I really don't want to make this post as a comparison between the two actors (which i may have to do in any case in the comment section :D)..but why don't people realise his days are over...Just beating around the bush won't make him a better actor or a star...be selective and do some sensible roles...that's the only way to make a mark. If not anyone else, he should see the newer breed of actors in Abhay Deol and Ranbir Kapoor who are doing mind boggling work at the start of their careers.

One final thought...the last straw to break my patience came this morning with the trailer of Dabangg.... After watching this crap, i felt like it's tag line should be - when the fear of a flop movie ends, shit (like this) begins :P. I don't care whether this become a hit or not...even crappy Wanted (2009) was a semi-hit...Ya right, wanted...please, get a life and give a life to others.... I still get nightmares and scream for my AUD$6.5, take that for Salman Power...Right ;-)

PS: A week in which movies like Inception and Udaan are getting all the praises for not trivializing the audience's intelligence and going one step ahead in the process of film making....even watching such regressive trailers is sheer wastage of time and energy, Period.

37 comments:

Me-Era* said...

Long post. No time to read now. :P Read last para though. I hated Dabanngg the minute I saw the trailor.
Well...I am sure I agree with most of what you said here. :P

Happy Weekend!

Vinnie said...

someone here no doubt hates Salman Khan movies:)
u really brought out his entire filmy career out in the open...i felt a bit sad for him...only GF's come n go..nobody marries him:(

probably, marriage could put some sense into him n get some 'with-the-times' movie from him....i like him..he is such a cutie:)

i dont watch movies anyways!!

Saim said...

Nice rant...but I suppose that's why we all have a personal space, to rant:)

P.S. Let's not begin an argument which won't end... *Peace*

Preeti said...

just like you , i refuse to spend even 10 min on a movie that stars salman after 2000 ..only excpetion was tere naam.. I loved him in hum dil de chuke sanam and in karan arjun ( even more than SRK ) but baring that ..never really liked him ..

comparing him and SRK is not fair ..though being a SRK fan i might be baised still there are timeless moments of romance that SRK has played and that no one can deny ..his romance is magic ..and all hopeless romantic are spell bound..

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Meera

You commented without reading the post, lol. But I can understand from where you are coming from, Thanks for your time and comments here and on FB.

Enjoy,
Amit

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Vinnie

In the 1990’s, I used to watch his movies quite regularly mainly because my sister was a big fan. But sorry, I can’t keep on watching an actor’s movies just because he looks good and would take his shirt off in every other scene.

I am least concerned about his personal life and marriage, it doesn’t bother me a bit while seeing a movie and in all reason, he should not be judged also in that manner. My problem is how long one can carry forward in the movie industry without giving any sensible movies. I don’t see much variety in the roles he has done in 2000’s.

Lucky you don’t watch movies, at least you don’t get into such kind of elaborate explanations and posts.

Good to see you here after a long time.

Cheers,
Amit

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Saim

There is no argument if you allow logic and rationale to flourish. No doubt, people have preferences, but in no way that should over rule the facts of his film biography which is filled with crappy roles and shady movies in 2000s.

Along with this, a lot of times whenever you try to show the mirror, people (which include you and a few others on FB) end up comparing with SRK and his movies, which make me wonder about their objectivity. It brings back to my point, what does his fan club wants – just to get above SRK or want to see a good SK movie? No doubt, in the end it is a futile argument but for discussion purposes, let’s talk about plain facts – which includes movies, stories and box office performance. Unfortunately, whenever I try and bring up the topic about kind of his movies, people always try to get defensive and start comparing with SRK movies, which is an absolute preposterous thoughts to begin with. They never compare him with AK or HR, may be because they know they surely can’t put forward a point with these actors.

Peace,
Amit

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Preeti Di

A lot of his movies in the 1990’s were also similarly crappy, but at least he was interspersing them with a few sensible and good roles just like you have mentioned. In 2000s, he has just gone bonkers….I am waiting to see how long one can survive without actually giving a good movie? It has been good 7 years since Tere naam released in Aug 2003.

It is ironical how SRK is always remembered for his romantic roles whereas in reality all his initial successful movies were anti-hero/action movies. He did a lot of romantic movies, thanks to Yash Chopra and Karan Johar camps..but off late, he has ventured into trying to do different roles in Chak De India or Swades or even MNIK (all in 2000s). Why no one even talks about these movies while arguing is out of scope of my understanding. There is a very simple fact to it – you got to change with time, SK refuses to do it.

Thanks,
Amit

Saim said...

@Amit

since u already opened d discussion, how do I retract back:D

1st things 1st....am a SK fan which atleast in my case does not mean am anti-SRK. I do agree that most SK fans these days are anti-SRK but it's equally true vice versa, if not more.

I do not think that SK is a better actor than SRK. Period!!! And I rarely start comparing between them if not initiated.

He has done innumerable crappy movies, as u point out. I am objective enough to say that movies like God Tussi Great Ho and Yuvraaj were mindfuckingly bad. The problem for me arises when the same people who conclude that OSO is a classic turn around and say that Wanted is torture. Perhaps it was torture for them but OSO was torture for me and for many others who could look beyond their SRK love. So, let's not begrudge success (Wanted was d second biggest hit of the year, distant to 3 Idiots but 2nd nonetheless). Point being, both were crap if u judge them against the criterion of good cinema but both possibly, both entertained and were escapist in nature to turn out successes.

Now considering that this debate started with the trailer of Dabangg, I loved it and so did many others (mostly non-SK fans too, check out Twitter for this) who had objectivity. Perhaps u did not. That is fine...it seems to be a good old masala potboiler which are rare these days but perhaps it does not suit ur tastes. I would however be very disappointed then if I come to know that u loved RNBDJ n Ghajini (hopefully u did not to maintain consistency in ur taste graph).

Saim said...

As far as FB and mirror showing is concerned, I rem posting a status about the earth shattering opening of Veer (2nd biggest ever in single screens) and you commenting on it something along the lines of "I hate SK movies,Period!" which is fine (free world). But I do wonder why you needed to do that.
Perhaps u wanted to start the comparisons. I rem many people going gaga over Main Hoon Na n Don but I dun remember jumping in for some mirror showing. Perhaps u wanted to start a discussion and rant out ur SK-frustrations:D

To be frank, our tastes in movies matches a lot (I've read ur posts on d classics) and since u brought up Inception n Udaan, lemme say this...those r movies from a different league altogether.

I reiterate...am not interested in comparing SK n SRK...SRK is a way better actor (atleast as per his body of work) and let's not even bring AK into this discussion. (am hoping AK is Aamir coz if it's Akshay then we are doomed:D)

As I said, let's not start a discussion which does not have an end.....to each his own *Peace*

N.B. Bahut bada comment likh diya maine...poora ek baar mein save nahi ho rha hai:P

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Saim

Firstly, let me clarify one thing – the above comment was just not specifically for you but all those people who unabashedly (without providing any reason) keep on arguing by doing comparisons between different roles in different movies of these 2 actors. I am yet to meet a SRK fan who is also anti-SK, so I won’t get into the that but have met quite a few people who just pounces on you when you say anything anti-SK and in return start bashing up SRK movies. I have a strict problem with these kinds of people. In that sense, they lack complete objectivity and end up doing a futile argument.

I am not sure whether that OSO thing was directed towards me or was a general comment because I have never said it is a classic. As I pointed out in the post, movie watching is subjective and my whole “hating” agenda is just not based on 1-2 movies of SK, but the whole array of movies he has done in 2000s. He seems not to wake up from his deep down slumber and taking audience for granted by doing similar roles, apart from promoting her 2 brothers in useless roles. Just to correct you, the second biggest grossing film of 2009 was Ajab prem ki gazab kahani and not Wanted, which actually slipped by the end of the year.

Let’s not get into twitter/FB to show how many are pro or anti SK/SRK, that’s again a preposterous thought that you can compare an actor based on comments on these social networking sites. We all know how these things work and are of not much value in terms of providing any rationale to this topic. I also don’t think masala poitboilers are rare, they always have been shoved down the throats of the cinema watchers even when people have rejected them, more so in the recent past (Akshay Kumar movies are prime examples of this).

In RNBDJ, things were fine till SRK plays Surinder Sahani, but as the makeover happens; the whole film goes downhill and becomes a shithole. And Ghajini, well anyone who has seen Memento will never like this movie. But I guess it is AK tactic of doing one movie a year and aggressively promoting which always works (Fanaa in 2006 was another example where a bad movie worked just due to fresh pair with Kajol and Narmada River controversy).

Hopeless Romantic said...

I may have to go back to see that post you’re talking about on FB, but let me remind you one thing which happened even in that discussion, from nowhere you brought in SRK and made a comment like “atleast SK don’t ham his ways into the movies”. I wonder why you needed to do that when we were talking about SK and his movies, was it your frustration about ranting anti SRK? And for the matter of my comment, I very well knew that inspite of Veer taking so called bumper opening, it will fall flat soon (mainly because of the reviews from journalists and friends which were floating around). Point is, if you can go gaga about the success, what happens when those same movies drop down even before the close of first week. We very well know now how these movie business works, the more buzz you can create around a movie, much better opening you can get. In the end it is the movie content which matters and in case of Veer it was just not there and for comparison purpose, for MNIK, it was there as the box office collections were steady for about first 3 weeks. (Though I still feel apart from SRK performance, there was not much greatness about the movie; it was again a strictly average movie)

Yes, I do agree our interests in movies matches; this is just an exception. I also appreciate your knowledge of cinema and value your opinion if you post about any movie as good. I am not getting any money neither have any agenda in promoting SRK or downgrading SK. I even do not say who is a better actor because that is subjective. Remember, the title of the post is NOT – I hate SK or I hate SK as an actor, it is I hate SK movies and it is the perspective which matters in the end.

Peace,
Amit

suruchi said...

Omg Amit...
Poor Salman Khan...if Hopeless Romantic rips apart someone like this...there’s no hope for the poor dude!
Though dud is actually more like it, in agreement with u!:-)

Aparna said...

salmaan khaan over-acts in his movies....hsi good looks, charm and nice body got him through till now...now that he is old and lost hair and charm let's see how far he goes...

mêlée said...

good that you wrote, so I dont have to write it anymore :) but you know what Salman is unbeatable when he is doing a stupid person's role..like in Andaz Apna Apna.
btw, I am THAT SRK fan who is anti SK :D

The Survivor said...

Good point made.

Saim said...

@Amit

aah...what the world would be if there was no difference of opinion:P

Perhaps u haven't met par meri to bahit aise bandon/bandiyan se muqqalaat...oops, I mean, mulaqat hui hai who are SRK fans and by extension anti SK!!!

The OSO comment was not directed specifically @ u...it was a general comment.

Told u to check Twitter only for the reactions to Dabangg's promo 4m common souls n known critics...else social networks is all about PR management.

Will have to check abt APKGK...perhaps u r right but anyways, the point I was trying to make was k it was not a semi-hit:D

I do not consider most of Akshay's recent movies even worthy of being called masala potboilers....startin 4m CCTC upto dis week's loud disaster Khatta Meetha!

Am glad u can say that Ghajini, Fanaa and RNBDJ were all as great/pathetic as Wanted or did u say that:P

Saim said...

That post in FB...I think I rem u saying that SK is the most overrated actor to which I had said that I do not only consider giving long speeches in d climax with a liberal dose of hamming as an acting style...yeah I alluded to SRK and to a lesser extent Akshay too...but it was a necessary comparison there since I had to bring in other acting standards in the industry. I maintain SRK is way better than SK but SK is not over rated, in fact..he is under rated. You will hardly see any1 talking about his acting but people tend to forget that when he does get it into his mind, he really acts pretty competently...(eg...London Dreams being d most recent example). It's just that I wish he chose movies more wisely:)

As far as posting status msg abt Veer's great start, that was sorely to make it a slight to the money laundering critics who had pummeled d movie. It was not a good movie but it was not half as bad as it was made out to be.

Exceptions prove the rule,so let's live with this exception:)

Cheers to great cinema but allow me the some indulgence when it comes to SK:)

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Suruchi Di

Lol, why blaming me when he himself is responsible for the crap. I am just doing my duty as the citizen of this country to make people aware. If I can say so, some words of wisdom from the hopeless romantic to now an actor doing hopeless movies.

Jai Hind,
Amit: D

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Aparna

Exactly my point, how can one survive in movies by just having good looks and body? No doubt, he still has millions of fan and deservedly so but if an actor is just taking this for granted to do crappy movies year after year, this is not acceptable to me atleast. Generally actors mature with age to do more sensible roles; he is actually going the opposite way.

Thanks,
Amit

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Melee

I have no doubt about his earlier movies in the 1990s; I myself have mentioned it in the post. There are many more movies which I not have mentioned, but he has done amazing work in it. Love with Revathi and Baaghi with Nagma are few of my personal favourites too. The main point of the post is the movies done by him in 2000s. If you see any actor of his generation, be it SRK or AK or SAK, they have atleast 3-4 movies in the 2000s to boost their acting credentials, apart from having critical or commercial success or both (and it is the “both” part which always fascinates me about good movies). Barring Tere naam in 2003, he has none to my knowledge and even by industry standards.

Glad to meet a SRK fan who is anti-SK :)

Love,
Amit

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Survivor

Thanks!

Cheers,
Amit

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Saim

Don’t know mate, but I always get these “SK-lovers-anti-SRK” combo pieces that end up doing a futile argument and if you have met such kind, well all I can say is that even they are wrong. Love for someone should not be so blind; you can’t see the shortcomings of the other person. General rule hain, but applies to every sphere of life.

I am always the first one to check such social networking websites to find the reaction, to see if there is something I am missing. And that’s exactly my point, whatever reactions I get are based on his work in 1990s and NOT in 2000s. Even die-hard fans are expecting him to deliver sooner. If I remember correctly, someone on your Debaang trailer link commented, “SK is due for a good movie from a long time”… And by your standards Wanted was a good and successful movie; I guess it was released last year in September only. Just proves my point, people are extrapolating their liking and affection for him from 1990s or best from 2003 (with Tere naam).Isn’t this the time for even the hard core SK fans to get a treat by a good sensible movie?

If you check the stats, you will actually realise that even Love aaj kal has earned more money than wanted at the end of the year. Point is not whether it was a hit or a semi hit or how many awards it got or how much money it collected, for me a good movie criterion doesn’t work that way. May be I have high standards with movies I watch or prefer to watch. Let’s keep AK movies for a discussion of another time; things are complicated in any case: P

Hopeless Romantic said...

You missed the point again; I meant s no movie should be judged based on money it is making. This was in response to the point of “begrudging success” of Wanted. To elaborate that, I explained what was wrong in the other two movies you picked for comparison and that’s why I also gave an example of Fanaa, which according to me was an average movie but did great business.

As far as unwanted comparison of acting style, well I think long monologues are much more difficult to act. Yes, SRK has done it in quite a few films, be it Mohabbatein, KKHH or even more recent Billu but then it is not SK has never done that – what about his hamming style in the climax of Hum Dil de Chuke Sanam. My point in that FB link was, I didn’t said anything pro-SRK, but still to prove an “out of scope” point, you brought in SRK. If the matter is of comparison, why not compare it with AK or HR, why just SRK. Why this bias? Where is the objectivity now?

I may just agree that he is under rated, but the responsibility of bringing out the best in your abilities also lie with the actor and that can be done by picking better roles. Glad you made the point of choosing better scripts and I tell you one reason for it which I have observed in past years – reason is his 2 brothers in Arbaaz and Sohail. Arbaaz debuted in 1996 with Daaraar and Sohail in 1997 (as a director in Auzaar) and in 2002 as an actor in the ever forgettable, Maine Dil tujho Diya. And even after good 13-14 years, you can’t really say they have made much progress in their careers. And not to forget his brother in law, Atul Agnihotri who has made 3 duds in Veergati, Dil ne jisse apna kahan and more recently, Hello. I think to support the career of these 3 people, he has actually spoiled his own career and this is the crux of him not choosing better scripts.

If a different movie comes up which excites me about SK, trust me I will be first in line to go and watch his movie. I still reiterate what I said in the post, I pay to watch a movie, not a star. And yes, it is a free world and you are allowed to have as much indulgence as you want for SK – doesn’t matter to me if the dude keeps delivering duds, I am not going to watch it and I am going to keep criticising till proven wrong. In fact, i will be really happy if proven wrong.

Cheers,
Amit

Saim said...

This isn't going to end anytime soon, is it:P

I hope u stop meeting "SK fans who are anti-SRK".....pray vice versa for me too:)

Bro, thr r genres of cinema...u bring up Tere Naam as his last sensible movie. I'd say Mujhse Shaadi Karogi, No Entry n Partner were pretty decent movies....not sensible but no-brainer comedies are not supposed to be sensible. They r supposed to entertain and provide genuine laughs which I think most people would agree that the above mentioned three did to considerable success. Wanted was a good movie by the standards of the industry just as OSO, RNBDJ, Ghajini, Fanaa and many others were. If u ask me, I judge a movie based on good cinema and all of the above mentioned were crap.

As for the money making thing, I care two hoots for the box office performance of a movie. India is a land where Swades fails and OSO is a blockbuster, so let's not bring money in the equation. I do not judge a movie by the money thing...only mentioned that Wanted was a big grosser since u called it a semi-hit.

Saim said...

And for the acting style comparisons, I consider Aamir in a different league. Reason y I brought up SRK is not that am anti-SRK, far from it...the most important reason is coz most people in our country consider him to be the benchmark, et all. So too the industry which showers awards almost every year (not that awards have any credibility). That is the most important reason I said that SRK's is not the only acting style worth considering.

About him jeopardizing his career in promoting his two brothers...I could not agree with u more!!! You brought up Veergati which was a dud but I consider it to be a pretty good performance 4m SK.

Thank you for allowing me the indulgence of SK...u have it too for whoever u choose:D

*Peace* as always:)

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Saim

I am in for all kind of cinemas. I am not those pseudo-intellectuals who want serious kind of cinema only; I am pretty varied in my choices. No entry was like more of an extended guest appearance for him, so didn’t included that as his movie…though personally I enjoyed the movie a lot. MSK and Partner have done well, I don’t deny that – but still not the movie I personally would fancy and also didn’t include that because they were multi star cast flicks. But yes, they have been commercial success and pretty decent movies, I completely agree with that. But still if you compare the ratio of his hits and flops in 2000s, you would realise what I mean exactly by him not doing a good solo hero movie in a long time, last being Tere naam.

If you really want to compare these all mentioned movies, then let me bring some facts. OSO, Ghajini and Fanaaa have been very big commercial successes – Ghajini and OSO actually took phenomenon openings and in case of OSO – it was even more fascinating since it was released along with another biggie, Saawariya (atleast in terms of expectations). Without really going into too much details about the dissection of these movies, i would still pick to see Ghajini or OSO over Wanted any day. But that’s my preference and you are entitled to your opinion. Wanted was more hyped also because not many films worked in the previous year before it came, it was a hit for Boney Kapoor and SK after a long time and it was much better than another YRF dud released on the same day, Dil bole Haddipaa. I really think all the good movies of last year came after Wanted, hence the extra ordinary claims of its success.

I am not following your reasoning or logic in this. I don’t know which people claim SRK to be the acting benchmark, he is far from it – I can vouch for it. But what he has done by his extraordinary passion & public relations that he has created his niche in the industry, and especially in the overseas market. There is still no one in comparison to SRK, not even AK in that respect. He is probably most open to anything which comes his way, be it TV, Advertisements, movies or IPL. What it has done is... it leads to more controversies, more issues, more news and hence the objectivity among the normal cinema watcher has diminished. People start mixing issues. Awards, in number and credibility have gone downslide from a long time I can remember, atleast for me. What has award got to do with the acting style comparison of 2 stars? How SRK giving long monologues in a movie can be equivalent to SK doing better movies? It doesn’t make much sense to me.

I wrote about Veergati from the point of view of Atul Agnihotri, though I agree SK was good in it.

Hope we are ending this now….

Thanks,
Amit

Suresh Kumar said...

I don't see the stars... I see how the story is told... But from acting point, I don't much like him...

Coming to his movies analysis, I thought Lucky was a good entertainer though not a great movie....
They had remade wanted from a telugu movie Pokkiri which worked because of the lead characters charisma. In the hindi version both lacked it.

He is suited for brainless entertainers like Mujhse Shaadi Karogi, Partner, Maine Pyar Kyun Kiya... In all these three he had co stars and good lead actresses... a point to be noted :)

Dr Roshan R said...

the discussion in the comment session is as worthwhile a read as the post itself.. I personally agree that since Y2K, Salman really has had a ridiculous choice of movies where "style" over substance triumph.. that may have been a good thing in the 80s or even 90s when that wass that mattered , but now people do demand a logical story... you cant get away with pure style ( though again, a few like WANTED and OSO manage even that )

To each his own, I guess.. Akshay too seems to be falling into the SK trend now after reviving his career in the late 90s and early 2000s

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Suresh

exactly, that's how it should be. Script is more important than any other star, no doubts about it.

I thought lucky was too predictable and had lot of loopholes in the script. I haven't seen Pokhiri but that's the feel i got reading about it. As you have mentioned, it not only lacked the lead characters charisma, it was those pretentious movies who will go to any level to get a reaction out of you. I found the Mahesh majerkar track who talks dirty on the phone absolutely tasteless.

There is space for brainless entertainers but not at the cost of crappy scripts. No Entry can be one example which was brainless, still there was a coherent plot to it and not random things happening where either the characters nor the audience have a clue what is happening on the screen.

Cheers,
Amit

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Dr Roshan R

When style wins over substance in movies, generally the reason is multifold - be it release date, movies released in that year, a very crappy movie released that year. I Still feel even though there were some ridiculous loopholes in both Ghajini and OSO, they were still binded with tight screenplays. Not that wanted didn't had a tight screenplay, but then the ridiculousness with which they were portrayed don't make sense to me. And really, if someone who people claim it to be the top star of this country and best actor, 2 needs to be keep in mind - (a) firstly, you will be compared with the best in the business, you can't run away from that (b)Secondly, you will be judged with your body of work over a period of time and the variety you will show in doing those roles. SK in 2000s don't qualify for those 2 things - fan don't allow his comparison with other actors and he doesn't allow himself to do better roles.

I really think AK is a complete actor in terms of he can do comedy, romance, action and so on. But his major problem has been doing too many simialr movies, first it was the Darshan brothers who made dozen of movies with him, these days it's Priyadarshan.

Thanks for dropping by!

Cheers,
Amit

Harini said...

I am a fan of Salman and his movies in 90's but in 2000 i am nt at all interested in him. In few movies his acting is pathetic. I never compare the 3 Khans... I dont like comparing.

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Harini

I wish i can meet more people like you while interacting online, my life will be a little simple. Personally, i also don't like comparing any actor, everyone has its own merits and weakness. I will surely comment on any actor's positive or negative attributes but will not start a comparison till provoked. Unfortunately, in recent times i had to do this comparison a little too often.

Good to see you here after a long time.

Thanks,
Amit

Saim said...

When I said that SRK is considered the acting benchmark in this country, I was not talking about enlightened souls like us. A large part of the cine going crowd of this country thinks like that which is the reason why I brought out that comparison...you have to compare against the existing benchmark after all. And even when comparing I never said that SK is a better actor than SRK...my only point was that his is not the only acting style that can be considered good.

As for the reasons for Wanted's success enumerated by you, perhaps you are right. A lot can also be written as to the reasons why OSO and Ghajini became big grossers but I suppose all of us already know that.


"How SRK giving long monologues in a movie can be equivalent to SK doing better movies? It doesn’t make much sense to me".....You are mixing two points bro...SRK giving long monologues has no connection to SK doing better movies. SRK's acting style was brought up only as a comparison since you said SK is an overrated actor.

P.S. Wanted to end this but had to issue those clarifications since u got mixed up among two points and were not being able to correlate:).

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Saim

SRK being considered as the benchmark in acting is just a pretentious assumption made often by fanatic SK fans just to prove some random point in doing an unwarranted comparison between actors. You can’t make an assumption about the whole public based on something which suits your sensibility. Also, it is a preposterous thought to compare with just one actor and exclude others because it suits the way you present your argument. If you are so hell bent in comparison, you got to compare with the best, something which you are conveniently ignoring so far. Nowhere in the post or in the comment section, i have mentioned about the comparison of acting capabilities, mainly because I don’t think that way. This reiterates my point in the post that when I am talking about SK movies, it should be only about his roles and his movies without delving in comparison with any other actor or his movies.

I was very able to correlate but it was a sort of “jovial comment” which obviously you were not able to construe. Also, wanted is not even half of what OSO and Ghajini were able to garner at the box office but I agree this has nothing to do with our argument since we both have concluded in unison that box office collections are not an indication of a good/bad movie.

Cheers,
Amit

nsiyer said...

Salman has a great following. I have no comparison to make. It is always the singer and not the song.

Hopeless Romantic said...

@Iyer Sir

No one has denied SK following, neither there is any intention of comparison, though it may appear that way from the comment section. In a creative field, everything comes together and that only works. As far as who is more important - singer or song...well, we already have a controversy going on about the copyright issues in the film industry regarding who is more important in a song and who should get what kind of royalty after a song is a hit, so let's wait and watch...for me a movie is more important than a star. Movies make actors stars and not vice versa.

Regards,
Amit